Curse

Joe L. · Sep 10, 2005, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Just a few questions:

What was the last game ever made to please everyone?
Is it part of human nature to argue?
What drives people to possess only the best items in game, being of absolutely no value in the real world?
Are you indentured to the makers of this game?

My point is this: All I have been seeing lately, are threads upon threads of people complaining that the game has been ruined or not. If it is really as bad for some of you as you say, then the solution is simple. Walk away from the keyboard! Those of us who still enjoy the game are tired of all the bitching that everyone does everytime there is a patch. Boo Hoo, I can'
t sell my sword for more money than 90 percent of all the players individually have. Cry me a river! This is a video game, not a fortune 500. You will still have food whether or not you can still conduct business in an artificial markerplace.
I know that I have not played this game for as long as some, but at 250 hours, I find that I am at the very least, a veteran, and you know what, I still play because I think it is FUN. Wait, what was that? FUN. Oh yeah, this is a game, and that is what games are supposed to be. So if Arena Net has shut down your farming spot or made it impossible to sell your gold max damage etc... for enormous piles of cash, good. Besides all you will do is liberate some new player from their hard earned cash, and that is not what this is supposed to be about.

My two cents, and if you don't like it... Well you wont see me cry about it

ExplosiveBadger · Sep 10, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

If sombody dishes out money on a game they have every right to voice their concerns or make suggestions on increasing the games playability/fun factor. If you dislike the community my best advice is turn off local chat when coming into Guild Wars and don't read forums.

Kamikaze Cletus · Sep 10, 2005, 01:38 AM // 01:38

They always say, "you can't please everyone" I agree with that post, Joe. These complaining threads are getting ridiculous. yeah you payed for the game.. So what..Stop complaining about every single issue.. Very annoying. You should be thankful that the creators of this game actually read this board, and do changes that are written here.

ExplosiveBadger · Sep 10, 2005, 01:57 AM // 01:57

It's in the eye of the beholder, I agree if sombody is being a jackass about the problems in the games like,"OH MAN OH MAN I CANT SOLO MONK ANYMORE ARENA NET SUCKS!" that's useless whining. But if it's constructive, and actual concerns they have every right to say what they want.

Joe L. · Sep 10, 2005, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Agreed. I definitely have no complaints about constructive criticisms, however, that is not the type you see enough of, and It seems like whenever someone does, his or her thread is stormed by the petty and brainless

Ultimate_Gaara · Sep 10, 2005, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Joe L.

Just a few questions:

What was the last game ever made to please everyone?
Is it part of human nature to argue?
What drives people to possess only the best items in game, being of absolutely no value in the real world?
Are you indentured to the makers of this game?

i like answering questions... so ill do so

1) Guild Wars?... umm, please define your meaning of pleasing everyone..
2) When i argue with people its normaly to prove a point (not in games... thats just lame.. even for me

)
3) I do not.. look at my D2 account and you will see, no rune words.. only "omg thats old" set items and uniqes that many people do not no exsist anymore... (whens the last time anyone saw a rockstopper?... ya i thought so)
4).. i have no clue what that means so no comment

Ok now for the rest of the post
People can not solve their own problems (normaly gold and plat based due to Anet making the game less drop based and more team based) so they do the easyest thing they know, blame, point fingers, and complain.. simple as that

SOT · Sep 10, 2005, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by ExplosiveBadger

If sombody dishes out money on a game they have every right to voice their concerns or make suggestions on increasing the games playability/fun factor. If you dislike the community my best advice is turn off local chat when coming into Guild Wars and don't read forums.

No, if someone dishes out money on a game, the sole responsibility for making an informed choice about their purchase rests solely on their shoulders, and their shoulders alone. You see, reading up on a game, pre release and/or post release, and being aware of the common cons and the common hypes about a gaming title, will help you better make an informed decision about buying a game, or not buying a game.

The only responsibility a game company has is to make the game come through for all that was promised on the box, and in order to maintain their loyal customers, continue to nurture its community and keep adding content, especially for an online only game like GW is. The game company, anet in this case, does not owe you one god damn item, skill, or farming oasis. They owe you a game, that involves all that we all know it has. They do not owe you or me or anyone else an apology, a sanctimonious reason for, or detremental destruction of, anything that the game currently has.

Yeah, you have a right to complain if something sticks in your craw about something, but no, none of us here alongside you DON'T have the right to NOT listen to it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, again, and again, and again, and again, and again,again, and again, and again, and again, and again,again, and again, and again, and again, and again,again, and again, and again, and again, and again,again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

Trust me, it gets old. Also, it never ceases. The people are the most vocal in their distate for the "nerf and screwu of the day" never seem to get it through their thick as tar skulls that the issues that burn their flesh to the bone so much NEVER GO AWAY. The forum you are using (people in general, not badger yourself) is NOT the place to attempt to promote changes as you feel they should be done. Yeah, Gaille Grey reads this shit, but she is not the president of Anet. She is a component of a larger beast. That beast is NOT HERE, and we are mostly tired of the same shit different day approach.

This is a forum for a game that has fans. Not a forum for supposed fans of a game who cannot say one word without attacking the aspects of a game they CHOSE to purchase, they CHOSE to install, they CHOSE to play long enough to build a vested interest in it, and then CHOSE to have fits when something is beyond their comfort zone.

In other words, you and those who keep the bitching alive, are barking up the same tree, and it is the wrong one.

Good thread. Usual ending.

Enigmatics · Sep 10, 2005, 01:03 PM // 13:03

There are many philosophical bull answers, but "everything is peripheral" would be my choice. I suppose it's in most people's nature to enjoy racking up imaginary cash.

SOT · Sep 10, 2005, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Enigmatics

There are many philosophical bull answers, but "everything is peripheral" would be my choice. I suppose it's in most people's nature to enjoy racking up imaginary cash.

Well said.

ExplosiveBadger · Sep 10, 2005, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by SOT

No, if someone dishes out money on a game, the sole responsibility for making an informed choice about their purchase rests solely on their shoulders, and their shoulders alone. You see, reading up on a game, pre release and/or post release, and being aware of the common cons and the common hypes about a gaming title, will help you better make an informed decision about buying a game, or not buying a game.

The only responsibility a game company has is to make the game come through for all that was promised on the box, and in order to maintain their loyal customers, continue to nurture its community and keep adding content, especially for an online only game like GW is. The game company, anet in this case, does not owe you one god damn item, skill, or farming oasis. They owe you a game, that involves all that we all know it has. They do not owe you or me or anyone else an apology, a sanctimonious reason for, or detremental destruction of, anything that the game currently has.

Yeah, you have a right to complain if something sticks in your craw about something, but no, none of us here alongside you DON'T have the right to NOT listen to it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, again, and again, and again, and again, and again,again, and again, and again, and again, and again,again, and again, and again, and again, and again,again, and again, and again, and again, and again,again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

Trust me, it gets old. Also, it never ceases. The people are the most vocal in their distate for the "nerf and screwu of the day" never seem to get it through their thick as tar skulls that the issues that burn their flesh to the bone so much NEVER GO AWAY. The forum you are using (people in general, not badger yourself) is NOT the place to attempt to promote changes as you feel they should be done. Yeah, Gaille Grey reads this shit, but she is not the president of Anet. She is a component of a larger beast. That beast is NOT HERE, and we are mostly tired of the same shit different day approach.

This is a forum for a game that has fans. Not a forum for supposed fans of a game who cannot say one word without attacking the aspects of a game they CHOSE to purchase, they CHOSE to install, they CHOSE to play long enough to build a vested interest in it, and then CHOSE to have fits when something is beyond their comfort zone.

In other words, you and those who keep the bitching alive, are barking up the same tree, and it is the wrong one.

Good thread. Usual ending.

I'm talking about those who bought the game enjoyed it until a certain update, and then somthing went wrong. THEY CAN SAY SOMTHING ABOUT IT. Just as long as it doesn't have a whiney tone to it. I'll be fine with it. Re-read my posts man.. i'm talking about those who have concerns and voice them in a intelligent way. Don't expect Arena Net to tell those who are interested in buying the game all the updates they did and how the basic feel of the community was afterwards.

And many times has 'whining' gotten it's way. Look to most of the updates, was that 100% Arena Net's thinking or was some of that suggested by the community?

SOT · Sep 10, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by ExplosiveBadger

I'm talking about those who bought the game enjoyed it until a certain update, and then somthing went wrong. THEY CAN SAY SOMTHING ABOUT IT.

ONCE though, makes more sense than 90.

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Originally Posted by ExplosiveBadger

Just as long as it doesn't have a whiney tone to it.

Text has no tone to it unless italicized, and even then, it is questionable. You cannot hear words on here...I think. I may be wrong.

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Originally Posted by ExplosiveBadger

Re-read my posts man..

That was my point, it's the same post in a different skin. I'm happy. I'm unhappy. I'm happy. I'm unhappy.

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Originally Posted by ExplosiveBadger

i'm talking about those who have concerns and voice them in a intelligent way.

Unfortunately that is not as common as you would like it to be.

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Originally Posted by ExplosiveBadger

Don't expect Arena Net to tell those who are interested in buying the game all the updates they did and how the basic feel of the community was afterwards.

They already do that:
http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html

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Originally Posted by ExplosiveBadger

And many times has 'whining' gotten it's way. Look to most of the updates, was that 100% Arena Net's thinking or was some of that suggested by the community?

70% and no.

Enigmatics · Sep 10, 2005, 10:20 PM // 22:20

People just like it. In-game money should be like real-life money, just more digitalized and non-existant. Even those rich, old guys with cash for 10 lifetimes who keep working do it for the heck of it can appreciate this. Earning money is like leveling up your character in an MMORPG. Anticipation drives this; you want, against rationality sometimes, more and more.

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ExplosiveBadger · Sep 11, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by SOT

Text has no tone to it unless italicized, and even then, it is questionable. You cannot hear words on here...I think. I may be wrong.

I'm speaking of the ones that have a balant jumping-off-the screen-complaining-feel to it. The ones that are like,"Man I used to be able to solo the UW now I can't do it anymore arena net is so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing gay i hate them so much for this...." Rather than typing somthing like that they could list reasons why it's ok for somthing like that to stay rather then an update...

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That was my point, it's the same post in a different skin. I'm happy. I'm unhappy. I'm happy. I'm unhappy.

I don't know what you're talking about in this post...

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Unfortunately that is not as common as you would like it to be.

I've seen plenty of threads that have a great first post but theres always the jackass who says,"Stop whining and complaining man here are some instructions...delete your game!"

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They already do that:
http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html

O RLY? I don't see anywhere where Arena Net posts the general feeling the update had on the Guild Wars audience. Plus, if you were new to the game and you looked at the updates and switched to forums would you be able to understand what everyone is ranting on?

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70% and no.

Uhh, you took things litteraly with the second percent. I'm talking about people who disliked somthing about the game.. take the skill point dilema and what not. People were saying it was hard accumilate in order to buy skills then Arena Net made it easier to get skill points I think. I don't fully understand the whole situation.

And not to mention the whole "I miss PVP X faction.."

This is how most MMORPG's work, if you can count Guild Wars one. Theres a massive community and there will always be problems and a mouth to go with it. That's how every community works and if you don't like it you can go move over to my suggestion of..

1.Turn off Local&Team chat
2.Put a block on Guild Wars Online, Guild Wars Guru, and The Guild-Hall forums on your browser
3.Enjoy!

I understand this will go on and on because you seem like the kind of person who likes to argue with people for some type of reason. (no offense but i've come across threads where you're arguing with somebody.)

I'm done.

SOT · Sep 11, 2005, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Enigmatics

People just like it. In-game money should be like real-life money, just more digitalized and non-existant. Even those rich, old guys with cash for 10 lifetimes who keep working do it for the heck of it can appreciate this. Earning money is like leveling up your character in an MMORPG. Anticipation drives this; you want, against rationality sometimes, more and more.

Which also applies to clone threads about bitching about bitching when bitching is being bitched out on a bitching level that is beyond bitchy meaningless times 90.

Enigmatics · Sep 11, 2005, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Badger, you spelt literal, dilemna, and self-assuredness (well, you would if you typed it) wrong.

cayan anyone heayar this spiyar's sutble innuendos?

ExplosiveBadger · Sep 11, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Enigmatics

Badger, you spelt literal, dilemna, and self-assuredness (well, you would if you typed it) wrong.

cayan anyone heayar this spiyar's sutble innuendos?

Dilemna? Do you mean dilemma?

chris_nin00 · Sep 11, 2005, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by ExplosiveBadger

Dilemna? Do you mean dilemma?

I'm sorry Badger and enigmatics but your both wrong. SCErw the SpEELING gusy. Chlli oTU!!

Enigmatics · Sep 11, 2005, 03:06 AM // 03:06

okay, that was bruising and distinctly embarrasing. I'd blame my old grammar book, but that would be unsavory.

ExplosiveBadger · Sep 11, 2005, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Enigmatics, if you're going to be a grammar/spelling nazi, be right when you're correcting them. Or take the route that everybody likes and don't be one at all!

Enigmatics · Sep 11, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

b-but... I like to spread myself.
Nungchucks, and such.